The yearly refresh of the Sony RX100 brings us the mark IV and with it comes 4K video.
The sensor of the camera is still the same 1″ size of the RX100 but Sony has now added an XAVC codec at 100 mbps with 4K resolution as well as a lower 60 mbps mode that adds to the 50 mbps HD modes of the mark III.
So now we have two compact cameras that can record 4K video and the Panasonic DMC-LX100 is not alone.
Frankie Fok has a nice clip from Socorro with the LX100 as shown here
There is to date one only example with the Sony RX100 Mark IV and is not in the best environment but it gives an idea
So if you want to shoot 4K with a compact camera underwater which one should you choose, if any?
The LX100 has some interesting characteristics, although the sensor is in fact the same of the GX7. The camera has a good sharp lens and as all Panasonic the video implementation includes an IPB codec for video that makes compression very efficient.
However the LX100 has a number of issues and challenges as well :
- No Auto ISO in manual mode
- No ND filter
- Short zoom range 24-75mm with multi-aspect sensor (26-81mm in 4K video mode)
The most serious problem of the LX100 is certainly its lens.
Nauticam released the housing early and for the first time it featured a port system.
To my horror the default port is rectangular, this creates a host of issues including the fact that you can’t easily add a close up lens in front without an expensive adapter.
The camera weights around 400 grams with battery and you need to add another 1.2 Kg for the housing for a total of 1.6 Kg more than some mirroless cameras such as the Panasonic GX7 or the Sony A5000.
You need around $2,000 to get the camera and the housing which is not exactly cheap for a camera that can’t do wide angle and you need something like the Nauticam CMC to achieve 32mm width in the frame however the diopter holder is $220 and other $320 for the CMC.
The port system has challenges too, for example the mini dome only allows for limited use of the zoom range and the short port locks the zoom completely.
Update: Nauticam has told me that the dome should work on the entire zoom range am waiting confirmation
The Sony RX100 mark IV has similar issues:
- A short lens 24-70mm that becomes 28-81mm in video
- The video codec has only predictive frames (as all Sony) and is less efficient than Panasonic
- 4K video is limited to 5 minutes before the camera auto shuts down
The RX100 has several other attractive features that the LX100 does not have:
- ND filter
- Auto ISO in manual
- Allows for external recorders
- Image profiles for video similar to professional equipment
- The housing does not have a port system
The issues at close range are the same of the LX100 and the RX100 requires similar solutions, but at least you have an M67 thread, what’s more important at 28mm you can use a normal Inon lens UWL-H100 to achieve a wide and rectilinear field of view and also a push on filter. Most likely filters are still a must due to Sony well known issue with custom white balance.
The smaller Sony sensor does mean worse performance at low ISO but having seen the LX100 results this seems to be an issue there as well.
The RX100 mark IV + Nauticam housing comes at similar cost but does not require additional ports. The rig is truly portable at around 1.1 Kg in total.
The 5 minutes limit is not an issue for underwater use although it is a limitation on land for sure.
I am not convinced that any of those two compacts are actually worth investing as both use the H264 video codec that is not designed for 4K. This generates all sorts of issues at low ISO as well as being really processor intensive to the point of over heating the sensor like it happens on the Sony.
If you really want to invest in a small rig for 4K underwater video my preference would be the RX100 mark IV but is very likely that personally I am going to stay on HD for another year
12 thoughts on “4K Video Compacts Panasonic LX100 vs Sony RX100 IV”
Yes. I Want buy casing for Sony RX 100 mark IV how proses to buy
Nice write up. I probably have another year, maybe two, till my next upgrade as well. Just hope we don’t see more of those oddball ports.
I bought the Sony RX100 IV a few days ago. What a fantastic piece of kit! Housing and lenses are still on their way, looking forward to try it out in Sham el Sheikh in early October.
Great stuff. Are you going to shoot some video I hope!!
Thats certainly what I am planning to do 🙂
I am considering this little fellow for 4k video. Very important point for video quality:
“Additionally, the video output from the sensor uses pixel-skipping; unlike cameras like the Sony RX100M3 which take a full sensor read-out and then resample to 1080p. (The GH4 is different in that it uses pixel-binning to produce its output… the input from adjacent pixels is combined before the data is read off the sensor.) The end result is that the LX100 tends to produce aliasing and moire on relatively coarse details. For 4K output, the video is taken from a smaller crop area, but without the pixel skipping.”
I am afraid, this means lesser IQ for the LX100 both in 4k and fullHD. Line skipping is the most detrimental algorithm one can think of…
I have tested the LX100 and I have obtained moire myself. I don’t think the issue is with line skipping in 4K as there are not enough lines to be skipped. It is simply the limited resolution of the camera that only resolves 2150 lines.
You can see my latest results with the RX100 Mark IV a camera that resolves 2650 lines and has more controls and for me is the best way to shoot a compact underwater at 4K despite the video recording limit of 5 minutes.
Have you ever experienced overheating with the rx100mkIV in 4k?
Yes on land is quite easy to get the camera hot as you shoot for few minutes. Underwater I rarely shoot more than 30 seconds so am less worried
Hi, I own the same camera and housing. I have try to use it in a swiming pool with 33° temperature and It turn off, due the overheating, all the time… Do you have already use it during a scuba diving? Any problem with the overheating? I plan to use it in Socorro Island on february 2016 and worry about this problem…
33 degrees is quite hot. Socorro will be much cooler. What is that you are doing photo or video? Video at 4K overheats easily also on land
Grreat read thanks